Liars and Idiots and Fine Gentlemen?

Some D: “a woman still earns just 77 cents for every dollar a man does.” Some R: “It’s not government, though, that creates jobs. Small business owners, entrepreneurs and innovators are the engine of job creation.” Blah, blah blah. Question: why not just go after the lie, with the obvious point that any businessman with a million dollar payroll would fire all the guys and hire all the girls if he could pocket another $230,000 by doing so? Answer: it’s called the stupid party for a reason. Final point, a little harmony: nice to hear on KPFK today that Ralph Nader is also fed up with all the lying.

4 Responses to “Liars and Idiots and Fine Gentlemen?”

  1. Bosun Says:

    fire all the guys and hire all the girls if he could pocket another $230,000 by doing so? Answer: it’s called the stupid party for a reason. Exactly right on both counts. The STUPID PARTY is incredibly out of touch with the “real world”. They, the individual politicians, are as a group fairly DUMB. Add to this the reliance on “staffers” and “consultants” to form opinions and you get the STUPID PARTY.

  2. Zachriel Says:

    Dinocrat: Question: why not just go after the lie, with the obvious point that any businessman with a million dollar payroll would fire all the guys and hire all the girls if he could pocket another $230,000 by doing so?

    Which is why there has never been racial or gender or ethnic discrimination of any kind. Can’t happen because The Marketâ„¢.

  3. Neil Says:

    Sorry Zachriel, you lose. Here’s some lovely parting gifts and a copy of the home game.

    There is discrimination in todays workforce–against men. Particularly white men. Any company that does business with the U.S. government (which is most of the big ones) has to demonstrate “diversity” efforts–which in its practical effect means that if they CAN hire a qualified minority, female, or (the best) a minority female for a position, then they must do so. Men (especially white men) get whatever is left over.

    In the aggregate, this drives male employment toward smaller companies that don’t have government contracts, and who generally can’t afford to pay as much as the bigger companies. The fact that there is still a “wage gap” after putting men at a disadvantage points us toward a hypothesis that there are some jobs women can’t or won’t do (perhaps because they are physically unsuited or because they decide to prioritize family, for example). If there is a willing employment unbalance, in which men are willing to do all or most of the jobs women do, but there are some jobs that women are less willing to do , then that fully explains the wage gap through a supply-and-demand model.

    Maybe you want to argue that men must be put at even more of a disadvantage, earning less per hour or per career-year than women, in order to equalize lifetime earnings. However, that is a very different argument than the false idea that men are paid more for the same work.

  4. Zachriel Says:

    Neil: There is discrimination in todays workforce–against men. Particularly white men.

    Which is why men, particular white men, make more on average. Not to mention white men can hardly get elected to political office.

    http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/House-Gop-Chairs.jpg

    Neil: you lose

    You didn’t actually respond to the point. If the market fixes all imbalances, then discrimination could never persist.

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