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	<title>Comments on: The New York Times places itself first, readers and shareholders last</title>
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		<title>By: CaptiousNut</title>
		<link>http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2005/07/17/pecking-order-at-the-new-york-times-places-shareholders-last/#comment-138283</link>
		<dc:creator>CaptiousNut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Derek, and the S&amp;P 500 pays dividends as well that aren&#039;t counted.

You are clearly missing the point of this post.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Derek, and the S&amp;P 500 pays dividends as well that aren&#8217;t counted.</p>
<p>You are clearly missing the point of this post.</p>
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		<title>By: derek rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>derek rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 15:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not only are you confused on how to calculate percentages, your analysis ignores that the Times Co. pays dividends. Obviously it&#039;s not a growth stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not only are you confused on how to calculate percentages, your analysis ignores that the Times Co. pays dividends. Obviously it&#8217;s not a growth stock.</p>
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		<title>By: OhBloodyHell</title>
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		<dc:creator>OhBloodyHell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2005 07:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;  NOTE: Most, and perhaps all, NY Times links require registration.

There&#039;s a simple solution to this, which is bugmenot:

http://www.bugmenot.com/

They almost always have a working NYT reg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;  NOTE: Most, and perhaps all, NY Times links require registration.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a simple solution to this, which is bugmenot:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bugmenot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bugmenot.com/</a></p>
<p>They almost always have a working NYT reg</p>
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		<title>By: LarryW</title>
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		<dc:creator>LarryW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NY Times is a disgrace; a once proud newspaper has allowed itself to become a campaign pamphlet for leftwing positions.  The confidence in reporting on any hint of a scandal with this current administration is embarrassing, considering this same paper&#039;s reluctance to report on Clinton Scandals that ultimately lead to among other things a former US President&#039;s disbarment by a Federal Judge.

Reporting the news means reporting all sides of the news.  Take for example the CIA/WILSON/PLUME/Rove story affectionately known to some as Nadagate.  The reporting of this story has completely ignored the NYTimes own defense (along with other MSMedia outfits), in the Plume case, specifically the the papers own defense that indicate that Plume was outed several years ago, and thus there is no crime...and thus Judith Miller shouldn&#039;t be in jail.   The fact that the paper ignores an argument it makes for one of its own (which would pretty much put this story to bed), is proof positive of the media unashamed bias (and hatred) against Republicans.

Well the Numbers don&#039;t lie.  NY Time stock is plummeting because people are sick of this crap.  Advertisers are not going to pay premium dollars to advertise in a publication that caters to only a select subsection of confused individuals.  Lower readership means lower advertising dollars which means lower stock price. You can fools some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all the people all the time, especially when there are other sources to get information.  When Rush Limbaugh who makes no bones that he advocates the conservative position does a better job explaining a news story then the NY Times, you have a serious problem well actually the NY Times has a serious problem.

Thank g-d for the free market!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NY Times is a disgrace; a once proud newspaper has allowed itself to become a campaign pamphlet for leftwing positions.  The confidence in reporting on any hint of a scandal with this current administration is embarrassing, considering this same paper&#8217;s reluctance to report on Clinton Scandals that ultimately lead to among other things a former US President&#8217;s disbarment by a Federal Judge.</p>
<p>Reporting the news means reporting all sides of the news.  Take for example the CIA/WILSON/PLUME/Rove story affectionately known to some as Nadagate.  The reporting of this story has completely ignored the NYTimes own defense (along with other MSMedia outfits), in the Plume case, specifically the the papers own defense that indicate that Plume was outed several years ago, and thus there is no crime&#8230;and thus Judith Miller shouldn&#8217;t be in jail.   The fact that the paper ignores an argument it makes for one of its own (which would pretty much put this story to bed), is proof positive of the media unashamed bias (and hatred) against Republicans.</p>
<p>Well the Numbers don&#8217;t lie.  NY Time stock is plummeting because people are sick of this crap.  Advertisers are not going to pay premium dollars to advertise in a publication that caters to only a select subsection of confused individuals.  Lower readership means lower advertising dollars which means lower stock price. You can fools some of the people some of the time, but you cant fool all the people all the time, especially when there are other sources to get information.  When Rush Limbaugh who makes no bones that he advocates the conservative position does a better job explaining a news story then the NY Times, you have a serious problem well actually the NY Times has a serious problem.</p>
<p>Thank g-d for the free market!</p>
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		<title>By: Bud hiller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud hiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>      Unfortunately, the NYT has agressively purchased papers in the South, especially Florida. Here in Sarasota, they own the only paper in the county, The Herald-Tribune.
      Sarasota is one of the fastest growing, rich areas in the US and the Times is thus the beneficiary of a rich franchise here.
      Ironically, Sarasota is a solid 65% Republican. Nevertheless, we are battered by a constant barrage of NYT columnists and a local mamagement that actively aligns itself with the impotent Democrsat minority.
      While small compared to the NYT, the Sarasota paper must be a goldmine helping to keep the NYT solvent.

Bud Hiller   blhill2@earthlink.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the NYT has agressively purchased papers in the South, especially Florida. Here in Sarasota, they own the only paper in the county, The Herald-Tribune.<br />
      Sarasota is one of the fastest growing, rich areas in the US and the Times is thus the beneficiary of a rich franchise here.<br />
      Ironically, Sarasota is a solid 65% Republican. Nevertheless, we are battered by a constant barrage of NYT columnists and a local mamagement that actively aligns itself with the impotent Democrsat minority.<br />
      While small compared to the NYT, the Sarasota paper must be a goldmine helping to keep the NYT solvent.</p>
<p>Bud Hiller   <a href="mailto:blhill2@earthlink.net">blhill2@earthlink.net</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 22:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of this proves that the New York Times is still a leader. It leads virtually all other media in the sheer loss of readers---and revenue. (Except, perhaps, CNN and their loss of viewers.) By leading by example, they have also brought down The L.A. Times, The Washington Post, The Seattle Post-Intelligencer and dozens of other newspapers that followed the Times like Lemmings to the slaughter. It&#039;s time for the Grey Old Lady to go to the nursing home and suckle the last of the McGovern/Jimmy Carter Kool-Aid. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of this proves that the New York Times is still a leader. It leads virtually all other media in the sheer loss of readers&#8212;and revenue. (Except, perhaps, CNN and their loss of viewers.) By leading by example, they have also brought down The L.A. Times, The Washington Post, The Seattle Post-Intelligencer and dozens of other newspapers that followed the Times like Lemmings to the slaughter. It&#8217;s time for the Grey Old Lady to go to the nursing home and suckle the last of the McGovern/Jimmy Carter Kool-Aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Adamon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adamon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 21:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A little, insignificant correction -- you wrote 
&quot;While the broad market has gone up 10%, the New York Times’ shareholders have lost almost 30% of their money. Put another way, New York Times shareholders have lost over 40% of the money they would now have simply by being in a diversified portfolio.&quot; 

- This does not add up like this... Take $100 gone $110 in a diversified portfolio, but if kept in NYT stock, would go to $70. But this is 0.6364 of the $110, or 36.36% loss, not over 40%. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little, insignificant correction &#8212; you wrote<br />
&#8220;While the broad market has gone up 10%, the New York Times’ shareholders have lost almost 30% of their money. Put another way, New York Times shareholders have lost over 40% of the money they would now have simply by being in a diversified portfolio.&#8221; </p>
<p>- This does not add up like this&#8230; Take $100 gone $110 in a diversified portfolio, but if kept in NYT stock, would go to $70. But this is 0.6364 of the $110, or 36.36% loss, not over 40%.</p>
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		<title>By: China Ate My Blog! 中国吃了我的博客!  :: NYTimes Share Price :: July :: 2005</title>
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		<dc:creator>China Ate My Blog! 中国吃了我的博客!  :: NYTimes Share Price :: July :: 2005</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] 7 am  	NYTimes Share Price          	Articles like this are popping up comparing current p [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Billy O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinch sides with the North Vietnamese; Jason Blair; the Augusta National nonsense; Abu Grabeh; the Catholic priest &quot;pedophilia&quot; lie; Krugman/Rich/Dowd/Lewis/ dimentia; Bush is a liar/illegitimate/a moron. I think I will find my reading pleasures elsewhere, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinch sides with the North Vietnamese; Jason Blair; the Augusta National nonsense; Abu Grabeh; the Catholic priest &#8220;pedophilia&#8221; lie; Krugman/Rich/Dowd/Lewis/ dimentia; Bush is a liar/illegitimate/a moron. I think I will find my reading pleasures elsewhere, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: erp</title>
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		<dc:creator>erp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BB -- Perhaps the intended goal of embarrassing and impeaching Bush and/or causing him to commit hari-kari by exposing top administration aids as liars and leakers has fizzled out, but I sincerely hope the unintended result of this debacle hasn&#039;t fizzled.

There&#039;s plenty of culpability here, but it&#039;s the traitors in the CIA who conspired with pals in the media and Clinton operatives to defeat the president.  It&#039;s a family affair and the NYT is the godfather.  We know that Cooper&#039;s wife, Mandy Grunwald is a former Clinton adviser currently on Hillary Clinton&#039;s staff, and we know that Clinton made an ambassador of Joseph Wilson.  There are still a lot more dots to be connected, like why Judith Miller?  What is her connection to all this?  

Real reporters should be telling all about Miller and why she won&#039;t testify.  Speculate on her all you want guys.  Pretend she&#039;s someone on Bush&#039;s staff.  Find out dirt on her kids, her grandmother, anybody.

It&#039;s obvious Miller is in jail because testifying about what she knows would put her in grave danger.  

The reputations and, dare we hope, jail time of leftwing icons are at stake.  I look forward to the special prosecutor&#039;s report.  It seems obvious that he is continuing his investigation even though the primary targets, Rove and Libby, have been cleared of wrong doing by the testimony of their prime witness, Matt Cooper and by remarks made in public by Joseph Wilson who has virtually confessed to lying about the whole affair.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BB &#8212; Perhaps the intended goal of embarrassing and impeaching Bush and/or causing him to commit hari-kari by exposing top administration aids as liars and leakers has fizzled out, but I sincerely hope the unintended result of this debacle hasn&#8217;t fizzled.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of culpability here, but it&#8217;s the traitors in the CIA who conspired with pals in the media and Clinton operatives to defeat the president.  It&#8217;s a family affair and the NYT is the godfather.  We know that Cooper&#8217;s wife, Mandy Grunwald is a former Clinton adviser currently on Hillary Clinton&#8217;s staff, and we know that Clinton made an ambassador of Joseph Wilson.  There are still a lot more dots to be connected, like why Judith Miller?  What is her connection to all this?  </p>
<p>Real reporters should be telling all about Miller and why she won&#8217;t testify.  Speculate on her all you want guys.  Pretend she&#8217;s someone on Bush&#8217;s staff.  Find out dirt on her kids, her grandmother, anybody.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s obvious Miller is in jail because testifying about what she knows would put her in grave danger.  </p>
<p>The reputations and, dare we hope, jail time of leftwing icons are at stake.  I look forward to the special prosecutor&#8217;s report.  It seems obvious that he is continuing his investigation even though the primary targets, Rove and Libby, have been cleared of wrong doing by the testimony of their prime witness, Matt Cooper and by remarks made in public by Joseph Wilson who has virtually confessed to lying about the whole affair.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Bloom MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Bloom MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Journalistic integrity requires a reporter to face jail rather than disclose sources.  The issue is of sufficient importance to go to the Supreme Court.  It is very important for a democracy to have a free press, as well as free speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Journalistic integrity requires a reporter to face jail rather than disclose sources.  The issue is of sufficient importance to go to the Supreme Court.  It is very important for a democracy to have a free press, as well as free speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor Bloom MD</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor Bloom MD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 08:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cancelled my subscription to the NYT many years ago, having previously been a subscriber for over a half century.  I still have my subscription for The New Yorker.

The NYT has become a liberal rag and I refuse to support it.

I can still scan it for free online, a phenomenon which probably explains its print subscription drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cancelled my subscription to the NYT many years ago, having previously been a subscriber for over a half century.  I still have my subscription for The New Yorker.</p>
<p>The NYT has become a liberal rag and I refuse to support it.</p>
<p>I can still scan it for free online, a phenomenon which probably explains its print subscription drop.</p>
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		<title>By: BizzyBlog.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>BizzyBlog.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 04:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;New York Times Running Out?&lt;/strong&gt;

	NOTE: Most, and perhaps all, NY Times links require registration.
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	Nadagate seems to have played out, and barring a shock I don&#8217;t anticipate, has resulted in a big fat nothing. 
	What is Nadagate? It&#8217;s the name given ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>New York Times Running Out?</strong></p>
<p>	NOTE: Most, and perhaps all, NY Times links require registration.<br />
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	Nadagate seems to have played out, and barring a shock I don&#8217;t anticipate, has resulted in a big fat nothing.<br />
	What is Nadagate? It&#8217;s the name given &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: max</title>
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		<dc:creator>max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 03:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps the Sulzbergers are actually not upset about the stock price decline - Pinch&#039;s father and aunts are in their late 70s, maybe early 80s, and the lower the stock price the less will have to be paid in estate taxes if one of them dies. 

Which is not to say the Sulzbergers are somehow manipulating the stock price down (I have no reason to think they are) but simply to point out the lower price does have at this time have a possible upside for them. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps the Sulzbergers are actually not upset about the stock price decline &#8211; Pinch&#8217;s father and aunts are in their late 70s, maybe early 80s, and the lower the stock price the less will have to be paid in estate taxes if one of them dies. </p>
<p>Which is not to say the Sulzbergers are somehow manipulating the stock price down (I have no reason to think they are) but simply to point out the lower price does have at this time have a possible upside for them.</p>
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		<title>By: JorgXMcKie</title>
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		<dc:creator>JorgXMcKie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 02:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One has to wonder how the NYT would have reacted in 1974 had Richard Nixon said, &quot;Screw the Supreme Court&quot; and burned all the White House tapes.   How would this have differed from the Miller case at hand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One has to wonder how the NYT would have reacted in 1974 had Richard Nixon said, &#8220;Screw the Supreme Court&#8221; and burned all the White House tapes.   How would this have differed from the Miller case at hand?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2005 01:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYT is a main, if not &lt;strong&gt;the&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;strong&gt;, main driver of the MSM news cycle.

If it doesn&#039;t not turn its flood-the-zone covergae on an issue with its attendent masquerading opinion-as-news front page commentary, then the SEC does not feel the need to address it.

I cancelled my weekly subscription 3+ years ago and my weekend-only one a year or so ago.  (yes, that puts into right at the onset of the 2004 Presidential campaign.)

When I feel like returning, and the former paperboy in me has influence that is much greater than I like to admit, I read an article like the one about Ryan Howard a couple weeks ago where it was said his current lack of promotion to the bigs was contributing to the lack of interest in the sport by black youth.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYT is a main, if not <strong>the</strong><strong>, main driver of the MSM news cycle.</p>
<p>If it doesn&#8217;t not turn its flood-the-zone covergae on an issue with its attendent masquerading opinion-as-news front page commentary, then the SEC does not feel the need to address it.</p>
<p>I cancelled my weekly subscription 3+ years ago and my weekend-only one a year or so ago.  (yes, that puts into right at the onset of the 2004 Presidential campaign.)</p>
<p>When I feel like returning, and the former paperboy in me has influence that is much greater than I like to admit, I read an article like the one about Ryan Howard a couple weeks ago where it was said his current lack of promotion to the bigs was contributing to the lack of interest in the sport by black youth.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey boshart</title>
		<link>http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2005/07/17/pecking-order-at-the-new-york-times-places-shareholders-last/#comment-53176</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey boshart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recently canceled my subscription to the Raleigh News and Observer. When they called me to find out why, it was very satisfying to tell them that the paper had &quot;way too many&quot; articles from the New York Times and that paper had zero credibility. The comment was met with silence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently canceled my subscription to the Raleigh News and Observer. When they called me to find out why, it was very satisfying to tell them that the paper had &#8220;way too many&#8221; articles from the New York Times and that paper had zero credibility. The comment was met with silence.</p>
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