Comments on: Psychoanalysis and Islam http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 11:49:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: dw http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-346540 dw Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:28:51 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-346540 "Then find out about islam through scholarly articles," I don't think the scholarly aspect of Islam is why we are all reading about Islam. I came here looking for a psychoanalysis of the individual sociopathic acts of Muslims. Wondering if below the surface they are ripe with rape. pedophilia, violence, the threat and intimidation of one another. Wanted to get a little insight into their pecking order. I suspect the perfect Imam is a sociopath with a a hell good memory for the Quran. What breeds sociopaths? “Then find out about islam through scholarly articles,”

I don’t think the scholarly aspect of Islam is why we are all reading about Islam. I came here looking for a psychoanalysis of the individual sociopathic acts of Muslims. Wondering if below the surface they are ripe with rape. pedophilia, violence, the threat and intimidation of one another.

Wanted to get a little insight into their pecking order.

I suspect the perfect Imam is a sociopath with a a hell good memory for the Quran.

What breeds sociopaths?

]]> By: doubter http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-331995 doubter Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:53:21 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-331995 Poor research skills indeed. There's something that needs to be said about background of every writer, his preconceived bias, prejudice and the ideology of the reigning culture which teaches him/her how to assess science and free investigation through "free inquiry" for the progression of truth. To treat islam and psychoanalysis in such a disjunction is to miss out on the wide depth and rigor of psycho-analysis that aims to free not only the individual from his/her repressed state, but also aims to build a culture of recognition and negotiation. The first problem if anyone has read history (and that doesn't count only western and american history), then it is easy to see the ahistorical treatment islam gets from this article. I thought it would have some balance and factual treatment of islam. To freely consume the mainstream biases against islam is a fallacy, and to treat muslim/s as a monolithic group without considering the diverse practice/tradition/background and the workings of modernity into such practices is just purely ignorant. There is no justification for example in the article that Islam teaches its members not to doubt. If you really want to assess islam and psychoanalysis, first of all you perhaps, if I am not mistaken treat your Descartian certainty and delve into self doubt. Then find out about islam through scholarly articles, its philosophy, history: Look into sufism and early philosophers who had extensively translated and commented on the greeks. Look also into current scholars who are working in the field rather than consume the mainstream view of things (after all that's what freud and lacan were trying to demystify) rather than treat a group as monolithic in its ideas as much as practices. Poor research skills indeed. There’s something that needs to be said about background of every writer, his preconceived bias, prejudice and the ideology of the reigning culture which teaches him/her how to assess science and free investigation through “free inquiry” for the progression of truth. To treat islam and psychoanalysis in such a disjunction is to miss out on the wide depth and rigor of psycho-analysis that aims to free not only the individual from his/her repressed state, but also aims to build a culture of recognition and negotiation.

The first problem if anyone has read history (and that doesn’t count only western and american history), then it is easy to see the ahistorical treatment islam gets from this article. I thought it would have some balance and factual treatment of islam. To freely consume the mainstream biases against islam is a fallacy, and to treat muslim/s as a monolithic group without considering the diverse practice/tradition/background and the workings of modernity into such practices is just purely ignorant. There is no justification for example in the article that Islam teaches its members not to doubt.

If you really want to assess islam and psychoanalysis, first of all you perhaps, if I am not mistaken treat your Descartian certainty and delve into self doubt. Then find out about islam through scholarly articles, its philosophy, history: Look into sufism and early philosophers who had extensively translated and commented on the greeks. Look also into current scholars who are working in the field rather than consume the mainstream view of things (after all that’s what freud and lacan were trying to demystify) rather than treat a group as monolithic in its ideas as much as practices.

]]> By: Midhat http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-314843 Midhat Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:50:27 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-314843 I think, the writter must need to know about ISLAM and PSYCHOLOGY both....before writing this article...in the whole world there is no religion like ISLAM, and if ISLAM is harsh in some cases then those were in the benifit of humanbeing....and if it is not so....then why non-muslim states develop there law and order according to ISLAM's preaching. As far as concerned with Sigmund Freud u need to learn him as well....when you as a clinician gets a single patient for very first time your thinking about Freud will be change imidiately, he was so right what ever he said.....and ISLAM is true psychology and Psychology is a true ISLAM. If person is obeying all the teachings of ISLAM, he will never face any psychological disorders in his life.....even he will never be the reason of pscychological disturbances for other people as well...sorry you need to study more I think, the writter must need to know about ISLAM and PSYCHOLOGY both….before writing this article…in the whole world there is no religion like ISLAM, and if ISLAM is harsh in some cases then those were in the benifit of humanbeing….and if it is not so….then why non-muslim states develop there law and order according to ISLAM’s preaching. As far as concerned with Sigmund Freud u need to learn him as well….when you as a clinician gets a single patient for very first time your thinking about Freud will be change imidiately, he was so right what ever he said…..and ISLAM is true psychology and Psychology is a true ISLAM. If person is obeying all the teachings of ISLAM, he will never face any psychological disorders in his life…..even he will never be the reason of pscychological disturbances for other people as well…sorry you need to study more

]]> By: Matin http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-146189 Matin Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:25:14 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-146189 This article appears to be a ironic self-portrait of its authors. The authors wrote that "All science must begin with free inquiry", a remarkable declaration for them since they dont do this principle justice. This article appears to be a ironic self-portrait of its authors. The authors wrote that “All science must begin with free inquiry”, a remarkable declaration for them since they dont do this principle justice.

]]> By: dymphna http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142047 dymphna Thu, 06 Apr 2006 04:45:16 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142047 Every time I come over here I want to steal something and drag it back to my blog...sometimes I do. Like the patents thing. A delicious, meaty piece indeed. Islamic psychotherapy seems an oxymoron at best. Free inquiry, free association -- Allah protect us. I always thought of Freud and Marx as the last of the Jewish prophets... Every time I come over here I want to steal something and drag it back to my blog…sometimes I do. Like the patents thing. A delicious, meaty piece indeed.

Islamic psychotherapy seems an oxymoron at best. Free inquiry, free association — Allah protect us.

I always thought of Freud and Marx as the last of the Jewish prophets…

]]> By: Stephen Rittenberg http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142023 Stephen Rittenberg Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:53:00 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142023 Fascinating essay. Thanks for writing it. I was reminded that under Stalin, the vibrant psychoanalytic community of the '20's in the Soviet Union was wiped out, its members executed and/or sent to the Gulag to die. The psychoanalytic method was incompatible with Marxist economic determinism and was condemned as a dangerous bourgeois anachronism. In the post-Stalin days, deviation from the party line was 'diagnosed' often as mental illness, requiring hospitalization, medication and shock treatment. Totalitarian Islam will, most likely, follow the same path. They've already taken to diagnosing apostates as mentally ill. Staghound is completely wrong in his comments about psychoanalysis, which does not view us as mere puppets driven about by our unconscious. Freud's earliest theorizing, positing a location for "the unconscious" gave way in the face of observed clinical data to his structural theory: the id, ego and superego. Consciousness or unconsciousness are qualities that can attach to each and in varying degree. The ego is especially the seat of rationality, judgment, assessment of reality. We strive in psychoanalysis to expand rationality, through self-inquiry, and thereby expand our power to shape our own lives, achieve true independence of thought and action and free the individual to find satisfaction in all spheres of life. Fascinating essay. Thanks for writing it. I was reminded that under Stalin, the vibrant psychoanalytic community of the ’20′s in the Soviet Union was wiped out, its members executed and/or sent to the Gulag to die. The psychoanalytic method was incompatible with Marxist economic determinism and was condemned as a dangerous bourgeois anachronism. In the post-Stalin days, deviation from the party line was ‘diagnosed’ often as mental illness, requiring hospitalization, medication and shock treatment. Totalitarian Islam will, most likely, follow the same path. They’ve already taken to diagnosing apostates as mentally ill. Staghound is completely wrong in his comments about psychoanalysis, which does not view us as mere puppets driven about by our unconscious. Freud’s earliest theorizing, positing a location for “the unconscious” gave way in the face of observed clinical data to his structural theory: the id, ego and superego. Consciousness or unconsciousness are qualities that can attach to each and in varying degree. The ego is especially the seat of rationality, judgment, assessment of reality. We strive in psychoanalysis to expand rationality, through self-inquiry, and thereby expand our power to shape our own lives, achieve true independence of thought and action and free the individual to find satisfaction in all spheres of life.

]]> By: Watcher of Weasels http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142013 Watcher of Weasels Wed, 05 Apr 2006 05:19:33 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142013 <strong>Submitted for Your Approval</strong> First off...  any spambots reading this should immediately go here, here, here,  and here.  Die spambots, die!  And now...  here are all the links submitted by members of the Watcher's Council for this week's vote. Council li... Submitted for Your Approval

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]]> By: larwyn http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142001 larwyn Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:30:43 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-142001 Dear Jack, I've emailed 3 of the finest "right winged" psych bloggers and asked that they would send you cites/links to their work and the works of other in the field. Hate to be "paranoid" .....But Google has shown in many instances that they are not playing fair. May be just like Borders and all the LSM and just burying information that would "offend" CAIR. I know that at least 5 of these blogs have addressed this issue more than once. So hope they will inundate your email box with their answers. Dear Jack,
I’ve emailed 3 of the finest “right winged” psych bloggers and asked that they would send you cites/links to their work and the works of other in the field.
Hate to be “paranoid” …..But Google has shown in
many instances that they are not playing fair.
May be just like Borders and all the LSM and just
burying information that would “offend” CAIR.
I know that at least 5 of these blogs have addressed this issue more than once. So hope they will inundate your email box with their answers.

]]> By: staghounds http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-141994 staghounds Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:12:27 +0000 http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2006/04/04/psychoanalysis-and-islam/#comment-141994 "unconscious motivation deprives man of choice" is actually a pretty accurate statement of how Freudians see the unanalysed or pre-analysis patient. "Free choice" is an illusion, if one accepts Freud's outlook, since we perform like trained seals to commands buried in our unconscious. Inly through years and years of expensive analysis, available only from approved psychoanalysts, can we have enough insight to understand and control those commands. Unless of course what we see as insight and control are just obedience to deeper and deeper unconscious commands... more analysis! (I believe that Freudianism is as much personal pathology writ large as Leninism is.) AND, why shouldn't the west's foul ideas be turned to the prophet's will? The faithful use reconstructive surgery to replace damaged hymens... “unconscious motivation deprives man of choice” is actually a pretty accurate statement of how Freudians see the unanalysed or pre-analysis patient. “Free choice” is an illusion, if one accepts Freud’s outlook, since we perform like trained seals to commands buried in our unconscious. Inly through years and years of expensive analysis, available only from approved psychoanalysts, can we have enough insight to understand and control those commands.

Unless of course what we see as insight and control are just obedience to deeper and deeper unconscious commands… more analysis!

(I believe that Freudianism is as much personal pathology writ large as Leninism is.)

AND, why shouldn’t the west’s foul ideas be turned to the prophet’s will? The faithful use reconstructive surgery to replace damaged hymens…

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