On the other hand look at the Scandinavians. For 300 years they were Vikings who terrorized Europe, raided as they pleased, colonized big chunks of Russia, France and Britiain. Then they became Christianized and pacified. Then the more aggressive people left Europe and moved to Texas. The ones who stayed behind became socialized and they seem happy to live in a welfare state. Can anyone imagine Danes, Swedes or Norwegians going into battle against Isalimists?

1) Europe has already experienced all too many spectacular terrorist events, yet their response is still supine. If that doesn’t get the revenge juices flowing, nothing will.

2) Jeff Burke above is right. I hadn’t thought about it, but it seems plausible to me that the most aggressive males and their gene pool are long gone to North America and Australia, and the remainder being too feminized to do the job necessary.

3) And furthermore, fertility among white Europeans has been so low for so long that there aren’t really enough belligerent aggressive “soccer hooligans” among them to do the job either. Who’s gonna do it then, 75-year old women with canes and walkers?

Jeff,

“Can you point to any real brutality in Euroland in the past 70 or 50 years?”

Here are just some of the big ones….

World War II
Hungarian rebellion
The forced “assimilation” of the Roma in Bulgaria and Czechoslovkia
Coup in Greece which brought George Papadopoulos to power
USSR invades Czechoslovakia
Cyprus
Poland
Yugoslavian civil war

Let us not forget the separatist/terrorists such as Bader-Meinhoff, the IRA, the ETA etc.

And let us not forget the riots that can break out at a moments notice. Just in the last couple years we have seen violent riots in Paris, the midlands of Britain etc. Riots that have the same thing in common-violent “Asian or African immigrants” (they are all Islamists but that never seems to be mentioned) and the native populations.

With the terrorists and the riots the governments in Europe have the ability to use policies and tactics that would cause the LLL’s, the MSM and the ACLU in the U.S. to have a stroke.

“BTW, I have been to Europe several times, I go to many European language websites for their insight and I do believe in what I say.”

I was married to a Royal Army officer and actually lived in Europe for years. We lived in London, Berlin and Rome. I hate to break this to you but taking “several trips” to Europe does not give you any special insights, hun. You gotta actually live there.

Over the past 200 years, a low-to-middle class European who is bright, innovative, and risk tolerant has had to make a choice between living in a society which is averse to change and very class-conscious or moving to the United States. While I agree that extrapolating numerical trends can lead to foolish conclusions (Paul Ehrlich, anyone?), I think the same can be said for projecting the capacity of Europe to grow a pair. That is also a projection based on that population’s prior tendencies, but the fundamental demographics of the population have been changing over time. I think it is entirely possible that most of the potential ancestors of the fighters moved out, leaving mainly the sons and daughters of the submissive.

I certainly hope you’re right, Jack. Either way, it won’t be pretty.

David

1) I believe that the literacy rate of Muslim women living in Europe will increase greatly over their sisters living in the Arab world but I do not believe that they will turn against the culture of their communities not to have a van of children. Despite whatSpengler says,he should come to my neighbourhood in Montreal and tell me not to believe my own eyes. Furthermore even if i am wrong and they only have three children, that is still greater than the average Euro female.

2) Their populations are not so small; they tend to gather in cities not rural areas. Cities dictate policy due to votes. Politicians will seize on that to stay in power and maintain their own pensions. SO to compare their population with that of the population of the country in which they inhabit is misleading as Daniel Pipes and BatYe’or may pointed that out.

Take a trip to Copenhagen or Marseille, you might change your view.

3) Despite Europeans’ brutality in the past - this was done by their ancestors. Can you point to any real brutality in Euroland in the past 70 or 50 years?

No I believe that like North America, being forcefed liberalism, sensitivity, femininity, metrosexuality, an education focusing on humanities and social studies AND the fact that the best European genes were massacred in WWI & WWII, ie, those that survived centuries of brutal wars, the best of the European male has been decimated. Now they have feckless leaders from Norway to Italy, who exploit the Arab masses for votes through marketing campaigns and double speak; Prodi, Zapatero, Chirac, and even Blair.

I cannot think of one Euro leader or journalist that could even disagree with me.

Perhaps you are reading the Economist which rather poo-pooed the threat of Eurabia as well.

BTW, I have been to Europe several times, I go to many European language websites for their insight and I do believe in what I say.