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	<title>Comments on: The wise guys, or supply and demand?</title>
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		<title>By: Canucklehead</title>
		<link>http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2008/05/14/the-wise-guys-or-supply-and-demand/#comment-311187</link>
		<dc:creator>Canucklehead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 16:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oil prices will drop once the US election is over.  I suspect there is a political reason why Iran is stockpiling oil, taking it off the market.  This may well be happening with other jurisdictions that seek to influence oil prices, and by default impact the US economy.  Domestically the Fed is stimulating the economy going into an election period (with the associated drop in the US dollar) while hedge funds and related international interests are playing the game of stimulating the price of oil as a riskless play.

As it becomes clear whether McCain has a lock on the Presidency, the hedge funds and related international interests will have to engineer an early exit from their positions because the expected direction of the price of oil will be down.  The hoarders will have to unwind their stocks or see them drop in value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oil prices will drop once the US election is over.  I suspect there is a political reason why Iran is stockpiling oil, taking it off the market.  This may well be happening with other jurisdictions that seek to influence oil prices, and by default impact the US economy.  Domestically the Fed is stimulating the economy going into an election period (with the associated drop in the US dollar) while hedge funds and related international interests are playing the game of stimulating the price of oil as a riskless play.</p>
<p>As it becomes clear whether McCain has a lock on the Presidency, the hedge funds and related international interests will have to engineer an early exit from their positions because the expected direction of the price of oil will be down.  The hoarders will have to unwind their stocks or see them drop in value.</p>
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		<title>By: gs</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 23:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have said 'four interpretations': supply and demand; manipulated futures markets; price-fixing by oil producers; and the markets' pricing the likelihood of major supply disruptions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said &#8216;four interpretations&#8217;: supply and demand; manipulated futures markets; price-fixing by oil producers; and the markets&#8217; pricing the likelihood of major supply disruptions.</p>
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		<title>By: gs</title>
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		<dc:creator>gs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The BusinessWeek article overreaches and reduces its credibility thereby.  The concluding sentences:&lt;blockquote&gt;...Basically, besides enabling the Fed to bail out Wall Street and our banks again, every time you gas up or eat you may be paying investors to cover other financial losses. We know that investors can't control their losses on mortgages, securities, or bad loans. But, demonstrably, if not restrained they can drive up the price of goods that we can't get out of buying. Odds are, that's what's really been going on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;This sounds too pat.  And how, exactly, should 'unregulated commodities' be 'restrained'?

Jack's formulation is more circumspect than Wallace's:&lt;blockquote&gt;Goldman Sachs would appear to have a particularly delicate position, given its prediction of another spike, its non-publicly disclosed bets on the direction of the oil market, and the prominence of its former senior executives at the highest level of economic policy in the US. It all feels a bit unseemly.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That's a plausible interpretation.  By those lights, the Goldman prediction may be laying the groundwork for offloading the overpriced assets onto the public--though I'd expect more of that to be going on than I've noticed to date.

Other interpretations that come to mind are &lt;a href="http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2008/04/22/beware-parabolic-price-increases/#comment-303146" rel="nofollow"&gt;discounting&lt;/a&gt; of a major Mideast &lt;a href="http://instapundit.com/archives2/018985.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;war&lt;/a&gt;, and price-fixing by oil producers who are &lt;i&gt;de facto&lt;/i&gt; abetted by Western environmentalist special interests.

Maybe all three interpretations above, independently or collusively, are among the factors that are driving prices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BusinessWeek article overreaches and reduces its credibility thereby.  The concluding sentences:<br />
<blockquote>&#8230;Basically, besides enabling the Fed to bail out Wall Street and our banks again, every time you gas up or eat you may be paying investors to cover other financial losses. We know that investors can&#8217;t control their losses on mortgages, securities, or bad loans. But, demonstrably, if not restrained they can drive up the price of goods that we can&#8217;t get out of buying. Odds are, that&#8217;s what&#8217;s really been going on.</p></blockquote>
<p>This sounds too pat.  And how, exactly, should &#8216;unregulated commodities&#8217; be &#8216;restrained&#8217;?</p>
<p>Jack&#8217;s formulation is more circumspect than Wallace&#8217;s:<br />
<blockquote>Goldman Sachs would appear to have a particularly delicate position, given its prediction of another spike, its non-publicly disclosed bets on the direction of the oil market, and the prominence of its former senior executives at the highest level of economic policy in the US. It all feels a bit unseemly.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s a plausible interpretation.  By those lights, the Goldman prediction may be laying the groundwork for offloading the overpriced assets onto the public&#8211;though I&#8217;d expect more of that to be going on than I&#8217;ve noticed to date.</p>
<p>Other interpretations that come to mind are <a href="http://www.dinocrat.com/archives/2008/04/22/beware-parabolic-price-increases/#comment-303146" rel="nofollow">discounting</a> of a major Mideast <a href="http://instapundit.com/archives2/018985.php" rel="nofollow">war</a>, and price-fixing by oil producers who are <i>de facto</i> abetted by Western environmentalist special interests.</p>
<p>Maybe all three interpretations above, independently or collusively, are among the factors that are driving prices.</p>
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